bebe2708 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 As dori sa cumpar o chitara electro-clasica. Bugetul alocat este de aproximativ 800Lei Uitati la ce m-am gandit: 1. Takamine EG124C Classical Guitar w. Cutaway http://www.mcmusic.ro/product_view.php?BrandsID=37&BrandCategsID=327&BrandProductID=2201 2. Ibanez G200ECE Electric Classical Guitar http://www.mcmusic.ro/product_view.php?BrandsID=2&BrandCategsID=207&BrandProductID=1546 Daca aveti alte sugestii va rog sa le spuneti. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacklight Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) As dori sa cumpar o chitara electro-clasica. Bugetul alocat este de aproximativ 800Lei Uitati la ce m-am gandit: 1. Takamine EG124C Classical Guitar w. Cutaway http://www.mcmusic.r...dProductID=2201 2. Ibanez G200ECE Electric Classical Guitar http://www.mcmusic.r...dProductID=1546 Daca aveti alte sugestii va rog sa le spuneti. Dintre cele 2 iti recomand Ibanezul pentru ca are top din molid solid nu placaj ca la Takamine,pe langa ca are si mai multe caracteristici hardware si electrica mai buna. Asta iti poate afecta si sunetul si sustainul su multe altele Edited November 10, 2011 by Blacklight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septi Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Takamine mi se pare mai ok.Am cantat pe acel model si mi-a placut.Despre Ibanez nu stiu ce sa zic ... nu l-am testat sau ceva insa takamine suna grovaz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draykor Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) Clar ibanez...better value cum ar zice unii...orice top solid va fi un plus fata de cel mai bun top laminat (la acustice vorbim...nu intram in detalii cu hollow-body si altele) + ca e reducere de 25% go for it! Edited November 10, 2011 by Draykor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radu Burcea Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Am cantat pe un ibanez asemanator si merita toti banii! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor X Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Intrebare pentru experti: de ce solid top e mai bun decat laminated top? Astept argumente solide. Multam! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andydufresne Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Argumentele solide sunt mai bune decit argumentele laminate! Vibreaza mai bine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karpi Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Dintre cele 2 iti recomand Ibanezul pentru ca are top din molid solid nu placaj ca la Takamine,pe langa ca are si mai multe caracteristici hardware si electrica mai buna. Asta iti poate afecta si sunetul si sustainul su multe altele Alte chitare au "top (ten) liquid " si nu "solid" . Unde creste "molidul solid" ,dar cel "fluid" ..poate este si "gazos"? poate in Himalaia ? Chitara clasica numai cu placa de rezonanta din molid de calitate . Altfel sunt " matchbox guitars". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor X Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Clar! Si "ciorba de peste numai cu lingura de lemn." Io eram serios, asa ca inca astept un raspuns argumentat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andydufresne Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Lasind starile de agregare la o parte, eu as alege aproape intotdeauna o chitara acustica cu solid top in defavoarea laminatului (daca bugetul permite). Cit despre partea electrica, am cintat vreo 2 ani pe un Ibanez cu aceeasi combinatie doza+preamp ca si ibanezul propus. Suna ok, desi iesirea jack a inceput sa faca figuri (biziie) si am folosit iesirea xlr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor X Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Lasind starile de agregare la o parte, eu as alege aproape intotdeauna o chitara acustica cu solid top in defavoarea laminatului (daca bugetul permite). Intrebarea e "de ce?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concordis Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 (edited) eu am avut ibanez g5ece (made in China?!?) http://www.mcmusic.r...dProductID=1547 . Chitara a fost in regula dar avea un sunet tare "de plastic" . Poate asta pe care o ai tu ca optiune suna diferit Poti sa incerci o Hora SM 20 daca esti dispus sa sari umpic peste aia 800 de lei Aici sunt niste poze cu ea Edited November 11, 2011 by Concordis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andydufresne Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Intrebarea e "de ce?". Intrebarea era "ce chitara sa aleaga?", inainte ca sa se ajunga la de ce-uri Mi-e destul de clar ca o bucata de lemn vibreaza mai bine decit citeva foi cu lipici intre ele si inteleg ca vibratia topului e importanta pentru un sunet (si sustain) bun. La prima chitara cu solid top, diferenta de sunet a fost substantiala fata de cea dinainte din laminat (si constructia era mai ingrijita, sunt si alti factori). Cind am trecut la all-solid woods, diferenta a fost mai mica pentru urechile mele. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bebe2708 Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 Va multumesc pentru raspunsuri. Astept si alte sugestii de chitare electro-clasice in banii acestia, chiar si second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor X Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 (edited) Intrebarea era "ce chitara sa aleaga?", inainte ca sa se ajunga la de ce-uri Mi-e destul de clar ca o bucata de lemn vibreaza mai bine decit citeva foi cu lipici intre ele si inteleg ca vibratia topului e importanta pentru un sunet (si sustain) bun. La prima chitara cu solid top, diferenta de sunet a fost substantiala fata de cea dinainte din laminat (si constructia era mai ingrijita, sunt si alti factori). Cind am trecut la all-solid woods, diferenta a fost mai mica pentru urechile mele. Pai da, dar unul din argumentele sfatuitorilor era "solid top" si eram curios de ce e atat de important. Intre timp am gasit asta: http://www.musicplay...ted/Dec-04/2824 Due to both the increased availability of lower-end guitars with solid wood construction (Walden, for example, makes solid top models that street for as little as $199), and improvements in building techniques that have allowed guitars with laminated woods to sound more like their solid-wood counterparts, the solid-versus-laminate question has somewhat less relevance nowadays. As Bob Taylor of Taylor Guitars explains, “It used to be that laminated guitars were bad and solid guitars were good, but I think a lot of that had more to do with poor building skills than any fault of the woods. You definitely lose the tonality of the wood when you go to laminates, but can a laminated guitar be made to sound good? Sure, and our 110 Baby and Big Baby models, which have laminated backs and sides, are proof of that. These days, if a guitar doesn’t sound right, I’m a lot less inclined to blame it on the woods. According to Taylor, however, the lamination issue becomes more critical when it concerns a guitar’s top. “The problem is that laminating woods changes the way a top vibrates. Unlike a solid wood top, a plywood top is equally strong in all directions, which means it’s going to be too strong in the direction it doesn’t need to be. We’ve experimented with laminated tops that have grains all running in the same direction, and I’m convinced they can be a viable alternative if we ever run out of solid wood. But a top needs to be as light and strong as possible, and with laminates, the strength-to-weight ratio can easily drift into the negative zone. One of the things we’ve learned is that you have to use the right glues when putting the laminations together. Making laminated tops with wet glues is hard - too much glue and the weight is unacceptable, too little glue and it comes apart. Our solution was to use an adhesive that’s 1/60,000th the thickness of a piece of paper. You lay it down and bond it with heat, and the result is a multi-ply top that’s light and strong.” De citit tot articolul, desi unele afirmatii ar putea fi privite ca reclama. @bebe: Sfatul meu, ca de fiecare data, e sa nu cumperi fara sa probezi. Ce spunem noi e bazat pe experiente personale, asa ca lasa-ti propriile urechi/maini sa decida. Bafta! Edited November 11, 2011 by Doctor X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacklight Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 In primul rand,trolls will be trolls In al doilea rand,am avut onoarea sa cant pe chitara solid top,back,sides,si ce mai poate fi. Comparatia intre un Epiphone AJ100 si un Seagull este ca si o cutie de carton si un amfiteatru, nu au nimic in comun ca sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor X Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 In primul rand,trolls will be trolls In al doilea rand,am avut onoarea sa cant pe chitara solid top,back,sides,si ce mai poate fi. Comparatia intre un Epiphone AJ100 si un Seagull este ca si o cutie de carton si un amfiteatru, nu au nimic in comun ca sound. Buna compartia intre o chitara de 99 $ si Seagull. O sa compar si io o Hora cu top laminat cu un Ovation Balladeer, sa vad ce iese. Aici avem doua electro-clasice din aceeasi categorie de pret. Crezi ca diferenta va fi uriasa? Pana la urma, testarea personala e cheia problemei. N-ai de unde sa stii cum aude si ce prefera fiecare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacklight Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Buna compartia intre o chitara de 99 $ si Seagull. O sa compar si io o Hora cu top laminat cu un Ovation Balladeer, sa vad ce iese. Aici avem doua electro-clasice din aceeasi categorie de pret. Crezi ca diferenta va fi uriasa? Pana la urma, testarea personala e cheia problemei. N-ai de unde sa stii cum aude si ce prefera fiecare. Si eu sunt adeptul testarii inaintea cumpararii,dar diferentele de care zici tu nu o sa apara pe moment,ci in intr-un timp indelungat. Oricum eu mi-am spus parerea,Ibanez in cazul asta rulez! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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