Steve Vai

[Cosu]

Bantuind pe niste forumuri mai acum cateva ore am dat peste o treaba foarte ciudata.

Se numeste "Xavian scale" si este o creatie proprie a lui Vai.

un scurt quote in care povesteste despre ce e vorba:

Steve Vai: It's the equal division of an octave into sixteen tones. It's divine dissonance.

 

Vai: That’s another thing that I can’t help. You’re going to hear modes in there that you never heard on any other record or any other type of music, simply because I made them up out of synthetic scales. Like the end of “Deep Down Into The Pain” – that really weird birth sequence. What’s happening is that a child is coming out of the womb, you know? He’s hearing the voice of divinity and asking questions and all this weird stuff. But what you hear in the background is this wild music based on a scale I devised.

 

GW: A new scale?

 

Vai: Yeah, I call it the “Xavian” scale. What I did was take the 12-tone tow and make sampled notes of it on the keyboard. Then what I like to do is experiment with different temperaments. [Ed. Note – The 12-note European tempered scale is only one way of dividing up the frequency range between octaves. Different systems exist in other cultures and in the work of composers like LaMonte Young and Wendy Carlos. Some modern synthesizers offer alternate temperaments.]

 

I have this book where I keep all these different scales, where I divided the octave up into different steps – like maybe 9 or 10 equal steps. I call these scales “fractals.” At the end of “Deep Down Into The Pain” I used a scale that’s based on dividing the octave into 16 equal steps, instead of the 12 steps of the conventional tempered scale. So each half-step within that is not quite a conventional half-step – it’s 60 microsteps as opposed to 100 microsteps. Instead of calling it a half-step, I call it a “quasar.” Then the “whole step” is 120 microsteps, instead of 200 microsteps. Instead of calling it a whole step, I call that a “nova.” All these different intervals create the Xavian scale, a 10-note scale that I extracted from this 16-note row. You take this scale and play chords with it and it’s like divine dissonance, because all the intervals are twisted.

 

Every six notes or so, you run across a tempered interval. But for the most part, there are not tempered intervals, so you get a whole structure of harmonics that is just eerie and unique. You know how every chord conjures up a different mood? Even to the most casual listener, a major ninth chord will create a different feeling than a minor ninth, or a major ninth with a sharp 11th. Imagine the twisted world of emotions you can open up from the Xavian scale! We human beings are so shaped by music in our evolution. I think that as more people get into experimenting with these fractals, a whole different emotional state of mind will result – one that is probably on a par with the way our evolution is going anyway. But I don’t think you’ll ever hear Metallica jamming on the Xavian scale.

 

De notat si denumirile "astro/matematico/mistice" date gamelor, tonurilor/semitonurilor si altor chestii. N-am postat la "cum/ce cantam" pentru ca astea tin mai mult de trivia/cultura generala si nu de cantat propriu zis.

Acum problema mea . Eu pana acum n-am reusit sa dau de chitara aia cu 16 freturi / octava. Daca dati voi de ea fiti amabili si postati-o aici sa ma minunez si eu.

[George]

Aaaaaa, it all makes sense now

[malex]

Cosule, care chitara mah cu 16 freturi pe octava?

Ca omu' zice clar ca a pus octava pe keyboard si dupa aia.....

[Shreder]

Man, nu am gasit-o decat pe asta, dar nu e exact ceea ce vrei.

Sorry, e singura chitara cu grif ciudat pe care o stiu.

As fi curios sa aud cum suna

 

http://www.vai.com/Machines/guitarpages/guitar046.html

[Eugen D]

ma un lucru e clar... chitara aia Exista ! .

dupa vreo juma de ora de cautat . am gasit ...

impresionant

 

 

 

Ripley Custom Alternate Scale Guitar

No Serial Number

 

Custom made by Steve Ripley, this guitar is quite different from any others in the sense that its octaves span 16 frets instead of the conventional 12 frets. The foundation of Steve's "Xavian" scale, heard in "Down Deep Into the Pain", was developed on this guitar. Notice the number of frets.

 

Cosu minuneaza-te

Edited September 20, 2005 by evilpath

[ronniefrown]

Cred ca Steve Vai are prea mult timp liber.

[Guest p_aciulea]

crezi tu asa?

[ronniefrown]

Pai citeste si tu explicatia aia daca ai rabdare...eu nu am putut decat sa ma intreb " de ce ?"

[Guest p_aciulea]

exact.

[ronniefrown]

Bun. Astept atunci pe cineva sa-si ia chitara (eventual cu 3 neckuri, in forma de inima) cu 16 freturi pentru o octava si sa cante in Xavian mode.

[malex]

ie tzignealã curata

 

oare cum dreaq arata partitura sau tabu la o piesa facuta cu ... chestia aia

[Cosu]

va multumesc pentru poza. am bramburit si eu pe siteul lu vai dar mi-a scapat chitara. 10x again.

[Guest Pheno]

chiar ma intrebam la un momentdat cum ar fi daca cineva ar canta cun nehste note care sunt la frecvente care nu apartin notelor standard, mi se pare totusi cam bashita faza, adik vezi domne a epuizat toate ideile pe care poa sa le exprime cu notele normale si a dat-o in diverse. Doo cuvinte, Brain Damage.

Edited September 20, 2005 by Pheno

[LinX]

Daca o luam asa, nu mai aparea nici chitara cu 7 corzi, nici tappingul, nici floydul si nici electrica la o adica.

Tipul experimenteaza. O face muzical si cat se poate de personal. Nu trebuie sa iti placa, insa nici nu trebuie sa fii ignorant. Nu uitati ca e Steve Vai si ca isi permite! Omul asta in primul rand e scoala de muzica (si cand zic muzica, nu ma refer la chitara neaparat); uitati-va de ex. la partiturile transcrise de el pt Zappa si care le puteti gasi pe site-ul lui.

 

De altfel nici chitarele acelea cu 3 grifuri nu aveau 3 grifuri degeaba si a demonstrat chestia asta.

Edited September 20, 2005 by LinX

[Guest Pheno]

Pana acum toti chitaristii cat de extremisti au fost ei nu au apelat la chestii de genu acesta si au cantat pe notele standard, ma rog exista o linie foarte subtzire intre nebunie si geniu, mie personal imi place vai dar la anumite faze exagereaza si asta e una din ele. Poate sunt ignorant dar asta e parerea mea.

[mickeyG]

Mie mi se pare ca Vai greseste tocmai pentru ca experimenteaza prea putin, nu prea mult. El incearca de multe ori sa se mentina la un echilibru intre chestii mai conventionale si dementa totala, ceea ce bineinteles ca nu multumeste pe nimeni. Cat despre chitara cu 16 note pe octava, as fi foarte curios sa aud o inregistrare cu asa ceva, poate iese ceva misto, vai e in stare de orice.

[Shreder]

ma un lucru e clar... chitara aia Exista ! .

dupa vreo juma de ora de cautat . am gasit ...

impresionant

Ripley Custom Alternate Scale Guitar

No Serial Number

 

Custom made by Steve Ripley, this guitar is quite different from any others in the sense that its octaves span 16 frets instead of the conventional 12 frets. The foundation of Steve's "Xavian" scale, heard in "Down Deep Into the Pain", was developed on this guitar. Notice the number of frets.

 

Cosu minuneaza-te

 

Man, tot respectul dar dupa ce am numarat tastele, am ajuns la concluzia ca sunt 24/octava. Adicatelea nu sunt 16/octava.

[Moisoiu]

Vai,Vai,Vai! Cel mai dintre cei mai!

[Guest Ameretat]

Uite d-aia vreau si o chitara fara taste. Avantajele ar fi ca poti sa-ti imparti octava cum vrea muschiu tau si ca slide-urile ar suna a la floyd rose, dar fara... ma rog, intelegeti. Am vazut o comparatie misto apropo de chitara fretless: "Poti sa alergi foarte repede pe freturi, dar pe fretless poti sa ZBORI" sau ceva de genu asta...

 

Si chestia asta cu note ne-standard nu e chiar asa noua. De exemplu, in muzica arabo-persana se foloseste scara cu treimi de ton. In muzica indiana, octava se imparte in 22 (sau 24? nu mai stiu...) de diviziuni egale. Deci nu e chiar asa de radical experimentu asta, pe cat ar parea la prima vedere.

Edited October 26, 2005 by Ameretat

[Guest Moriconne]

Eu nu cred ca exista o asemenea chitara. Daca exista... o fi facuta la comanda de aia de la Mahavijnu

[Susceptor]

http://www.vai.com/Machines/guitarpages/guitar046.html

 

nu scrie nicaieri ca a fost folosita pt Deep Down Into The Pain

[Moisoiu]

dar totusi a fost. se simte prezenta ei pe sfarsitul piesei

[Susceptor]

hmm..sunt de acord cu ameretat....pana la urma si viorile sunt fretless...eh...macar daca toate chitarile ar fi fretless nu s-ar mai apuca toti pseudo oamenii de chitara...

 

si daca chiar nu gasesti unde sa pui degetu ar putea sa fie niste freturi pictate...

[Guest Ameretat]

hmm..sunt de acord cu ameretat....pana la urma si viorile sunt fretless...eh...macar daca toate chitarile ar fi fretless nu s-ar mai apuca toti pseudo oamenii de chitara...

 

si daca chiar nu gasesti unde sa pui degetu ar putea sa fie niste freturi pictate...

 

Si eu ma gandeam la faza cu freturi desenate pe griff - sau macar pe marginea de sus a griffului. Din pacate, n-am vazut vreodata vreun fretless pictat pe griff sau pe langa. Ceea ce inseamna, probabil, ca asa ceva necesita o chitara "custom-made" (a se citi: "a dracu de scumpa")