Lemnul Chitarii

[Radu i]

Neexistand un topic destinat lemnului si avand si eu cateva intrebari am deschis acest topic.

 

Prima mea intrebare:

 

Care sunt diferentele dintre eastern mahagony si mahagony?

[Guest Distorsed]

Din cate stiu....este topic destinat lemnului

[Soulmaster]

Era un topic despre cheap wood ... NATO(eastern mahogany).. l-am intalnit la b c rich-uri O fi ceva gen... mahon de honduras si mahon african.

 

edit: Mi-am mai amintit ca mai e un tip de mahon... cei de la ibanez il foloseau la modelele ieftine, dar mai multe detalii nu stiu.

Edited May 22, 2007 by Soulmaster

[Radu i]

am eu o vaga senzatie ca nu e ceva de genul asta

[varu' maftei]

Uite ce-am googalit : Nato wood, also known as Eastern Mahogany, is a relieble, strong wood used on guitar necks. It is a value-priced wood used more in the lower cost instruments. However, Nato still embodies all of the properties of more commonly used.... and more expensive mahogany.

[Radu i]

thnx. Postati in continuare intrebari sau informatii legate de lemn in general.

Edited May 23, 2007 by Radu i

[Guest daemon]

http://www.dinosaurrockguitar.com/tonewoods.shtml

Sunt numai lemnele mai comune, dar e util oricum... Profit de ocazie si intreb: stie cineva tot un site de'asta unde scrie de cum afecteaza tonul la chitari bas tonewood'urile? Chitara normala lucreaza la alte frecvente decat basul, si ma gandesc ca un lemn suna cumva pe chitara si altcumva pe bas in privinta colorarii tonului.

[Guest Morgan]

nu scrie nimic de agathis (brad)

[Guest daemon]

Acu cauta si tu. Am dat un punct de pornire. Agathis nu o sa'l gasesti pe site'uri mari mentionat ca tonewood, o sa gasesti numai pe site'uri de lutieri si pe forumuri, fiindca'i destul de controversat. Mai sunt si alte lemne folosite care nu le gasesti intre astea consacrate, ci tot pe forumuri sau pe site'uri obscure, lemne gen imbuya si merbau (app am vazut parchet din merbau azi la expo construct:)))Eu unul ma raliez la ideea ca daca n'am sti din ce lemn e chitara la care cantam, dar ne suna bine, nici nu mai conteaza, fiindca e si autosugestie. Nu'i ca la o casa, de exemplu, sa iei cele mai bune materiale, perceptia sunetului e subiectiva. Pe mine ma intereseaza sa fie solid lemnul chitarii ca sa nu se loveasca usor si sa nu iasa suruburile daca strang prea tare, daca dau prea tare de tremolo etc. Si despre sunet, mai bine o ascult inainte sa stiu ce lemn e, ca sa nu am prejudecati, fiindca am citit o groaza despre tonewood'uri cand aveam febra DIY (si inca am) si n'as vrea sa fiu influentat. Uitati primele 4 rezultate pe Gogule, pentru cei carora le e lene sa caute:

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-74765

http://www.bothner.co.za/articles/bodywoods.shtml

http://www.guitar4christ.com/modules.php?n...rint&sid=60

http://www.digitaldarrell.com/guitar/Artic...onewoodInfo.asp

Adevarul e ca netul geme de informatii, da n'ajunge sa casti gura, ca nu pica...

[Guest Morgan]

ok, mersi... si sunt de acord, e multa autosugestie la mijloc, pentru ca n-am auzit nici o critica la adresa sunetului chitarii mele desi e din brad, lemn de care toata lumea zice ca e cel mai prost.

[Guest MrJackson]

Vreau sa ma apuc in curand de un proiect semi DIY... vom vedea cum suna rosewood over alder.

[apocalipsa]

fratilor consultati un dictionar dendrologic englez - roman sau wikipedia, si aflati acolo ce e si ce nu e .

de ex:

 

rosewood nu este trandafir ci este indian rosewood adik palisandru, adik dalbergia latifolia care e din familia fasolei si are un lemn dur si greu. deci in nici un caz nu este trandafiru ala din gradina .

 

 

vai ce greu e sa te informezi. e insa f usor sa intri pe un forum.................

 

 

asa ca fratilor haide sa mai si citim putin pe internet.

[Guest MrJackson]

Da cine ce a zis de trandafir, ca eu nu gasesc ?

[karpi]

cautati pe net ....guitar body ..wood...

 

si este un site unde sunt descrise "toate " materialele lemnoase " ciomparativ"

 

este laudat si "nuc"-ul si "par"-ul ,dar cum nu este adus din capatul lumii nu are "valoare"???

[Radu i]

cateva informatii despre:

 

ALDER

 

Alder is what Leo Fender used on his first bolt on guitars and so did PRS before he decided to go mass production. Alder is a great tone wood and it costs very little. Some of the drawbacks are it is harder to work with than say poplar or basswood.

 

Many companies who used Alder have switched to Poplar or Basswood for economic reasons. Basswood is not a favored tonewood but Poplar sounds quite good. Poplar requires a lot of filler and I don't recommend it unless you can find it in a good quality.

 

The only company that I ever saw use Poplar effectively was Parker on their very first models.

 

Poplar doesn't sound good on all guitars and neither does Alder. They work well with bolt on type guitars that utilize hard maple necks.

 

Call if you want to discuss the properties and tonalities of these woods.

 

Black Alder (Alnus Glutinosa).

 

Alder is a fast growing deciduous tree adapted to swampy areas and self sufficient in nitrogen uptake. It’s distribution area is Europe, Russia and north-west of Africa. In Sweden it’s distributed up to the middle part and along the Norrland coast. There is one more alder species, Grey alder (Alnus Incana), with it’s major distribution in northern Sweden. Grey Alder has similar wood properties as Black Alder but is somewhat softer.

 

Alder wood

 

Alder is a light, relatively soft and medium tough wood among the wood species. It’s relatively form stable during moisture variations. The Alders color and structure of the wood, softness and reluctance to shrinkage and swelling makes it suitable building guitars.

Alder wood and its appearance

 

The Alder has a light red color. Small clusters of minor knots is common in the wood. Brown traces from harmless kambium insects can occur and also brown heart, fresh knots and black rotten knots.

 

 

info from Ed Roman/tone wood

[Radu i]

cateva informatii despre:

 

ASH:

 

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Northern Hard Ash is very hard, heavy and dense. A Strat? body will normally weigh 5 lbs. and up. Its density contributes to a bright tone and a long sustain which makes it very popular. Its color is creamy, but it also tends to have heartwood featuring pink to brown tints. The grain pores are open and it takes a lot of finish to fill them up.

 

Swamp Ash is a prized wood for many reasons. It is a fairly light weight wood which makes it easily distinguishable from Hard Ash. A Strat? body will normally weigh under 5 lbs. Many of the 50's Fenders were made of Swamp Ash. The grain is open and the color is creamy. This wood is a very nice choice for clear finishes. Swamp Ash is our second most popular wood. It is a very musical wood offering a very nice balance of brightness and warmth with a lot of "pop".

 

Warmoth site

 

Swamp Ash is a decent sounding lower cost wood that takes a finish beautifully and is light enough to resonate well but strong enough to be stable.

 

About 5 years ago a large very credible guitar company started producing a guitar made entirely from "Swamp Ash." This guitar did not meet with my approval for many reasons. I am only going to list the reasons pertaining to the actual wood on this page.

1. It was very overpriced. In fact it cost more than one of their Maple and Mahogany models. By doing this they were trying to create the mystique that "Swamp Ash" was the very best of woods you could buy. Given their level of respect and credibility in the industry it would have been possible for them to actually succeed at this scam.

2. The fact of the matter was that their original guitars sounded much better, had more versatility and listed for about $400.00 less than their new model.

3. This guitar caused other manufacturers to jump on the "Swamp Ash" bandwagon forcing the price of raw "Swamp Ash" up, thereby creating a false impression that the wood was actually expensive.

 

Ed Roman

Edited July 18, 2007 by Radu i

[Guest p_aciulea]

na ca pun si aici linku http://mibu.16.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=431

 

atata doar sa nu va apucati sa faceti si acolo circul care e aici, acolo de bine de rau e un forum profi si sper sa ramana asa

Edited July 18, 2007 by p_aciulea

[Guest EPSYLON_CURSE]

cateva informatii despre:

 

ASH:

 

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Warmoth site

Ed Roman

 

asa... si cand spuneam ca swamp ash e overpriced nu m-a crezut nimeni

[Guest daemon]

na ca pun si aici linku http://mibu.16.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=431

 

atata doar sa nu va apucati sa faceti si acolo circul care e aici, acolo de bine de rau e un forum profi si sper sa ramana asa

 

sunt descrierile de pe site'ul Warmoth, le stiu pe dinafara http://www.warmoth.com/guitar/options/options_bodywoods.cfm

mai bine dadea linkul direct... link care oricum a umblat pe site'ul asta destul

[Radu i]

cateva informatii despre:

 

 

BUBINGA:

 

Guibourtia plant genus. Well-known species of Guibourtia: ovangkol and bubinga

 

Bubinga wood is often used by luthiers for harps and other instruments, such as bass guitars, because of its mellow and well-rounded sound. It has been used in drum shells as well. Drum companies such as Tama offer various high-end drum kits with plies of Bubinga in the shells.

 

Wiki

 

Harder & heavier than Indian or Brazilian Rosewood, Bubinga is usually referred to as African Rosewood even though it's not a Dalbergia. It has a medium texture with a sweeping figure.

 

Ed Roman

 

It has a medium texture with interlocking grain. It?s pinkish-mauve cast oxidizes to a nice brownish-red over time.

 

cgsmusic.net

 

Bubinga. This is a wonderful wood in every respect. It is as hard as the rosewoods, but has a finer texture with no pores to fill. It bends easily and holds its' shape. The brownish-purple color is close enough to rosewood to look familiar. To top it off, bubinga is cheap even from tonewood suppliers. The only hitch is that you can't sell a bubinga guitar. Call it African rosewood, its' inaccurate nickname, and you'll have no problem. Flatsawn bubinga shows a stunning bee's-wing pattern. Quartered wood is plainer, but still pretty. I like this wood a ton. It deserves more recognition.

 

guitarnation.com

 

A very strong stiff wood used primarily for bass necks and in laminations. Used by Rickenbacker for fretboards and Warwick for bodies. As a bass neck, it provides bright midrange and a thick well defined bottom. Bodies made form Bubinga will be very heavy but will sustain for days.

 

warmoth

 

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Edited September 7, 2007 by Radu i

[Guest Distorsed]

Redeschid acest topic cu catva intrebari...as vrea sa stiu ceva detalii despre Agathis, adica din cate am inteles este considerat Cheapwood( nu stiu daca e chiar asa..) am cautat ceva pe net, insa una e cand vorbesc unii din experienta proprie...Intreb , deoarece am vazut o groaza de chitari/chitare ( iau cazul thomann ) la un pret cat de cat ( aici vine vorba de intervalul 100-300 euro) care au si alte chestii in plus ( un tremolo cat de cat, husa, alte chestii de genu ) fabricate din Agathis iar alte chitari care sunt din basswood( tei din cate tin bine minte ) sau alte lemne , care nu au nimic in plus insa costa tot atat...Conteaza chiar atata de mult lemnul?sau e mai mult o chestie de "fitza"?

[dass101]

Agathis e un fel de brad. Care are caracteristici acustice destul de slabe, si mai ales o consistenta dubioasa.

Este cea mai ieftina solutie pentru corpuri de chitari. Asta ar trebui sa iti spuna ceva nu?

Pe de alta parte, in lumea asta, cam totul face exact cit costa. Deci ti-ai raspuns singur vazind ce pret au chitarile din agathis fata de cele din lemn "bun"

[karpi]

brad-ul , molidul este super bun ptr chitara ,DAR , este fragil se "taseaza usor" .Asa ca nu se foloseste numai ptr placa de rezonanta la instrumentele "acustice".

 

Cu cat mai usor este lemnul ai basii mai buni .Cu cat mai dens si mai greu este lemnul tonul se deschide .

 

Nu cred ca conteaza atat provenienta lemnului .

 

Cred ca este vorba de calitatea lemnului , a scanduri , a densitati fibrelor .

 

 

 

cam asa vad eu problema , din ce parte a busteanului si ce calitate de bustean este folosita .

 

restul este mai mult moda ,cel mai rar si scump lemn , parti metalice din aur sau aurite , inlay-uri sa zicem din perle originale ,diamante ici colo ca sa faca un obiect de lux dintr-un instrument.