jackson sau ibanez?

[Guest dmc]

dap...sry, greseala mea ca m-am atacat .. si daca edge pro sunt mai bune decat edge pro 2/3, de ce zic ca le-au facut upgrade chitarelor ibanez? ca n-am mai vazut nici o urma de edge pro pe modelele standard rg... nu e cam ciudat? sau iar n-am inteles bine?

 

stii ca te-ai atacat aiurea . evident, comentariul meu "unul mai prost ca altul" era adresat seriilor de tremolo ibanez edge pro 2/3. spun din experienta si nu din ce am citit pe harmony-central. am avut acum vreo jumatate de an un ibanez js100 cu edge 2 si l-am vandut dupa 2 saptamani. asa era de bun tremolo-ul. foarte instabil, un chin sa schimbi corzile si sa acordezi chitara. pe langa asta am mai remarcat un dezavantaj imens, si anume imposibilitatea de a face bend-uri duble sau combinate, datorita instabilitatii puntii.

 

hai sa nu fiu chiar asa subiectiv. tremolo-ul asta mie mi s-a parut execrabil, dat fiind stilul meu de a canta. poate pentru cineva care nu foloseste des bend-uri combinate, un edge 2 e ok. desi va avertizez oricum: trebuie jumatate de ora sa acordezi chitara, iar prinsul corzilor sub punte poate deveni foarte enervant. bafta la cumparaturi !!

Edited September 24, 2005 by dmc

[Cosu]

Edge pro gasesti pe modelele de top (vezi JEM).

Instabilitatea puntii de care vorbeste dmc se poate rezolva.Ea apare la oricare din puntile floating. Exista niste arcuri care compenseaza tensiunea in momentul in care faci un bend. In limba engleza ele se numesc "tremsetter". Pentru un amator necesitatea lor este discutabila.

Nu sunt foarte scumpe insa nu prea se gasesc pe la noi.

http://guitarpartsdepot.com/Merchant2/merc...gory_Code=HIPGA

[Guest dmc]

Instabilitatea puntii de care vorbeste dmc se poate rezolva.Ea apare la oricare din puntile floating. Exista niste arcuri care compenseaza tensiunea in momentul in care faci un bend. In limba engleza ele se numesc "tremsetter". Pentru un amator necesitatea lor este discutabila.

Nu sunt foarte scumpe insa nu prea se gasesc pe la noi.

http://guitarpartsdepot.com/Merchant2/merc...gory_Code=HIPGA

 

absolut corect. insa adaugarea unor arcuri suplimentare va afecta cu mare probabilitate (mai ales la o chitara care nu e tocmai high-end) inclinarea puntii si implicit actiunea. oricum, merita incercat. eu am renuntat la tremolo pt ca efectiv nu simt nevoia lui, deci puntea fixa e alegerea fireasca pt mine.

[Elethan]

Oameni buni, nu vad de ce atata discutie pe tema asta... luati chitari cu punte fixa. Eu merg pe ideea ca ceva mai simplu are sanse mai putine sa se strice. Sa nu mai vorbim de sustainul crescut de la orice punte fixa...

Am o yamaha cu un tremolo basic, si practic l-am blocat, prin montarea a tuturor celor 5 arcuri de sustinere...

Edited September 24, 2005 by Elethan

[Cosu]

Pe ideea de hardtail te poti uita la modelul asta care pare destul de dragut (alder , Strings-Through-Body, corp de super strat , H H )

 

 

http://www.jacksonguitars.com/gear/gear.ph..._Dinky_Hardtail

 

sau Ibanez RG321MH.

Cred ca sunt cam in aceeasi zona de pret.

[Guest _Theo_]

nu-mi place jacksonu ala dintr-un sg motiv...are brigge-u ala prea aproape de doza si pozitia pt pm e foarte incomoda..zic asta pt ca am cantat pe un ibanez sz care e tot neck-thru..deloc nu mi-a placut pozitionare bridge-ului

[Guest dmc]

ibanez SZ sunt chitari geniale... sau, in fine... cel putin asa le percep eu...

[Guest _Theo_]

n-am zis ca nu sunt....doar ca nu mi-a placut mie bridge-u ala prea aproape de doza

[Susceptor]

@elethan: luati ceva mai simplu.....hai sa cantam numai pe acustice ca e mai simplu decat o chitara electrica

[Elethan]

@dyster skog nu e nevoie sa fii ironic, pentru ca eu am argumentat... vad ca nu se mai poate face o remarca obiectiva.

Tot ce am facut a fost sa-ti dau mai multe motive pentru care orice punte mobila (cu atat mai mult cele ieftine) ar trebui evitata.

[Susceptor]

recunosc ca vintage tremolo e incomod (am cantat pe un fender original cu vintage si se dezacorda nasol)

dar pe un floyd (fie el si licentiat) care sa fie tzeapan nu cred ca o sa ai probleme si avantajele vin cu sine

daca tot e vorba de tehnici si efecte in plus, whammy-ul nu te va incurca niciodata...am si o carte/brosura despre asta

[Elethan]

Eu ma refeream la avantaje si dezavantaje... Are colegul meu de trupa un jackson js30, si cu floyd pe el, si ceea ce nu-mi place deloc si mi se pare enervant, este ca:

-termina corzile pe banda rulanta

-necesita reglaje in plus (de multe ori s-a intamplat sa nu-si poata acorda chitara perfect ca isi uitase cheita imbus acasa)

-nu e o punte fixa, si de aici: sustain scazut (orice ar zice oricine, nimic nu se compara la sustain cu o punte fixa) + piese mecanice in plus (care inevitabil vor ceda in timp)

 

Nu zic sa nu mai folosim floyd deloc, doar punctam dezavantajale

Si in ciuda parerii mele FOARTE PROASTE despre jackson, consider ca floyd-ul cu care sunt dotate, este superior celor de la ibanez.Cel putin la modele ieftine.

Edited September 25, 2005 by Elethan

[Susceptor]

eu am corzile de cand le-am cumparat si nu am probleme (sa imi fie rusine ca nu le-am schimbat)

@offtopic: nu le-am schimbat pentru ca nu am imbus si mi-e asa o lene sa ma duc sa imi cumpar

 

Jackson is a guitar manufacturer originally owned and operated by Grover Jackson, a partner of Wayne Charvel of Charvel Guitar Repair. It is probably best-known for its "Rhoads" V model guitar, originally designed and used by guitarist Randy Rhoads. This model inspired Grover to start the Jackson guitar company.

 

Wayne Charvel sold his interest in the Charvel name to Grover Jackson November 10,1978. The shop was located in San Dimas, California and manufactured guitars in this location from 1979 to 1986, when the Company merged with IMC (International Music Corporation) a Texas based importer of musical instruments.

 

Recently, rights to the Charvel name and permission to manufacture Charvel guitars was granted to the Fender Guitar Company. Fender is now manufacturing guitars that are almost exactly like the original San Dimas Charvels, save for a few details. In some cases the guitars are even being built from NOS (New Old Stock) Charvel parts.

 

Jackson Guitars has become most famous for its slender and elegant models, often with an aggressive look popular with harder rock and metal music. They were popular among metal bands in the 80s such as thrash metal band Megadeth, and even glam-rock band Def Leppard.

 

Almost all Jackson (and many Charvel) guitars share the typical pointed, roughly triangular headstock, which is simply a Gibson Explorer style headstock modified to avoid lawsuits. Charvel/Jackson was the target of many copyright lawsuits from Gibson and Fender which led to using the modified Explorer headstock. This also ended using Stratocaster styled headstocks for Charvel guitars. Various models, however (especially a good number of Dinkys) do have a reversed headstock with the tip pointing upwards.

 

The Hoshino Gakki company begun in 1908 as a musical instrument sales division of the Hoshino Shoten bookstore company. In 1935 they began manufacturing their own stringed instruments. The company had little presence in the Western world until the mid-1960s.

 

In 1954, Harry Rosenbloom opened a music store in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania, northwest of Philadelphia. Due to the post-World War II music boom, his sales soon outstripped his inventory, and he began a company called Elger Guitars in an attempt to manufacture enough guitars to fill his needs. The Elger Guitar company made a relatively small number of hand-built, high quality guitars through the early 1960s.

 

By 1965 Rosenbloom had decided to stop manufacturing guitars and chose to become the exclusive North American distributor for Hoshino Gakki instruments. At the time, the phrase "made in Japan" was considered to have negative connotations of low quality, so Hoshino Gakki and Rosenbloom wanted to distribute the instruments under a "non-Japanese" name. Hoshino had recently acquired a small Spanish guitar company named Ibanez, and it was decided to market the instruments under this brand name. In 1971 Hoshino purchased Elger Guitars, renaming the company "Ibanez U.S.A." and retaining the company headquarters in Bensalem, Pennsylvania as a distribution and quality-control center.

 

In the early 1970s Ibanez began making guitars that were almost exact copies of popular models by Gibson, Fender and Rickenbacker. Using somewhat cheaper materials and greater automation in manufacturing, they were able to sell these guitars for a significantly lower price than the originals. The low price combined with the relatively high quality of the guitars made these models very popular. Many guitar aficionados feel that the early- and mid-70s mark a low point in the quality of guitars from the major manufacturers, which helped contribute to the popularity of the Ibanez copies. These guitars have become known as "lawsuit" guitars and have become somewhat collectible.

 

The actual lawsuit referred to was brought by the Norlin Corporation, the parent company of Gibson guitars, in 1977, and was based on an Ibanez headstock design that had been discontinued by 1976. Ibanez settled out of court, and by 1978 had begun making guitars from their own designs.

 

Abandoning the strategy of copying "classic" electric guitar designs, the newer models began incorporating more modern elements into their design, such as radical body shapes, slimmer necks and flatter fingerboards (which allowed for faster playing), higher-output electronics and colorful finishes. This led to an increasing popularity with heavy metal musicians. The company also began an extensive program of consulting with well-known guitar players and creating signature models made to the players' specifications.

 

ma gandeam ca ar fi folositor

 

si orice ar fi...Jackson e mai fain decat ibanez orice ai zice si asta pt ca Alexi Laiho a cantat pe Jackson (quite stupid argument but still...)

Edited September 25, 2005 by dyster skog

[LinX]

Instabilitatea puntii de care vorbeste dmc se poate rezolva.Ea apare la oricare din puntile floating. Exista niste arcuri care compenseaza tensiunea in momentul in care faci un bend. In limba engleza ele se numesc "tremsetter". Pentru un amator necesitatea lor este discutabila.

Nu sunt foarte scumpe insa nu prea se gasesc pe la noi.

http://guitarpartsdepot.com/Merchant2/merc...gory_Code=HIPGA

 

 

Un sistem similar este inclus si in puntile de pe Ibanezurile JS si parca si pe anumite modele S. ZR se numeste bridge-ul respectiv si prezinta o constructie f. interesanta. Din cate am inteles insa si mi se pare de altfel destul de logic, desi ajuta la stabilizarea floydului, acest sistem practic il face mai rigid, impiedicand-te sa mai faci dive-uri sau sa te joci serios cu maneta.

Dupa mine, asta ar fi cam singurul dezavantaj serios pe care il prezinta un floyd, faptul ca nu poti sa faci intinderile duble cum trebuie. Acordajul e chiar distractiv... il consider un dialog de 10-15 minute cu chitara si care nu se repeta decat la intervale mari de timp.

Iar faza cu sustainul e muuult trasa de par; nu numai ca importanta acestuia de multe ori imi pare supraevaluata, dar o chitara cu floyd poate avea un sustain mai mult decat decent.

[Guest dmc]

Nu exista Ibanez JS cu punte ZR

[LinX]

Da, am gresit. Nu stiu de ramasesem cu impresia asta, probabil pt ca seamana cu S-urile